User talk:Tarponpet

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References

Good evening! When you add information to the bestiary, would you mind including citations so our readers can see the evidence supporting our claims? I appreciate all the work you've been doing in the bestiary, but I've noticed that a few of your recent revisions lacked citations supporting the information being presented.

Thanks again for all the hard work you've put into the bestiary! It's good to see that more people are diligently documenting Tamriel's critters. -MolagBallet (talk) 23:50, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Advice

Hello and welcome to UESPWiki! Thanks for your interest in the wiki; however, you seem to have been making multiple edits to a page by not using the show preview button, clogging up the Recent Changes in the process. We appreciate your enthusiasm, but keep in mind that each edit needs to be patrolled, so multiple consecutive edits create an unnecessary hassle on those who patrol. So please utilize this feature! You may also want to look over our style guide and Getting Started guide. Feel free to ask if you have any questions. —⁠Legoless (talk) 18:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tarponpet, just another reminder to please make use of the show preview button rather than making multiple consecutive minor edits with no edit summaries. Each of these edits need to be patrolled individually. —⁠Legoless (talk) 15:13, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

This is an official warning for continuing to make multiple small edits without using show preview. Please take the above advice on board when making further edits to wiki articles. Your edits to Lore:Bestiary pages are constructive, but they are causing disruption to the site by the sheer volume of minor edits with no edit summaries explaining what has been changed. —⁠Legoless (talk) 15:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

(←) Just another reminder to please use Show Preview. You made 43 separate revisions to Lore:Troll today and each of these has to be gone through manually by a patroller. —⁠Legoless (talk) 12:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Since I posted the above message, you have made another 21 small edits to Lore:Troll. Please make these changes in one single edit when possible as this behaviour is disruptive to the wiki. —⁠Legoless (talk) 08:28, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Cookie

You have been given a cookie! Your dedication and diligence to the wiki has not gone unnoticed. A user has seen the progress you've made, and has given you a cookie because of it. Good work! The user had the following to say: Nice work on all the bestiary improvements. Minor improvements like this are a big help to the wiki! —⁠Legoless (talk) 22:28, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Userpatroller

Hi Tarponpet. I'd like to promote you to a Userpatroller on the wiki. You can read more about it on the page I linked. All this promotion requires is for you to accept or decline it, and I can grant it immediately.

This is the first step toward becoming a patroller on the wiki if you're thinking about moving toward that. You will see red exclamation points on User: and User talk: pages only, and you can help our team of patrollers check those edits off as good. Even if you are not very interested in that aspect, it's a good way to have your own userspace edits autopatrolled.

For only really becoming active last March, you've made a great many contributions to our Lore namespace. Even if you don't like the idea of patrolling, I think this role would suit you until we were ready to give you Autopatrolled status, since you do a lot of your work in your sandboxes first. (By the way, this is appreciated. Sandbox work is a good way to do major revamps without affecting the readability of a page in the meantime.) We already know your sandbox edits are fine, so just autopatrolling those will be a benefit. However, I'd like to see you move toward patroller eventually if you're interested. Usually users are active for over a year, first, but you're making progress learning UESP's ways of doing things. —Dillonn241 (talk) 02:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I accept the promotion, thank you very much. I would be interested in moving towards patroller. — Tarponpet (talk) 11:12 PM, 25 January 2024 (EST)

Rights granted! Welcome to the team. You will want to add the {{User Userspace Patroller}} userbox to your user page to identify yourself in this role and add yourself to the userpatroller category. —Dillonn241 (talk) 04:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Tu'whacca and Satakal

If something isn't sourced it shouldn't be on the page. I agree that the image is most likely Tu'whacca. But being likely isn't good enough we need confirmation from Zenimax before we make that claim. And I don't agree the other image is Satakal at all. Everything on these articles need to be sourced.

Please take this to the Lore pages talk pages instead of my user page, that way we can reach a consensus as the Moderation requires. Apologies though, will have a response tomorrow.Tarponpet (talk) 02:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Concerning Lore articles written in past and present tense

Hello. So what you're saying is Skyrim lore articles are to be written in present tense due to it being the latest game set in the latest era until further notice? --KevinM^(talk) 23:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

It depends on the context of the characters in-game state and potential fate but kinda. Maybe not for certain mortal characters but for things like durneveir, serana, or elves should maybe be present tesnse. Tarponpet (talk) 23:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Revert of 3051848

I just noticed you've reverted my revision on Lore:Ehlnofey. No doubt, it's a valid page format, but have you seen how it reads on narrow viewports like those of mobile browsers? Have you also considered how squeezed the paragraphs are when forced into two columns in the UESP app? Just double-checking whether there's really a legitimate need to display the two sections side-by-side because "it's a valid format" is not exactly a compelling reason. Salamangkero (talk) 14:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I personally think it looks fine on mobile view there. I think it's a better way to handle multiple histories like that and it's a nice visual. That said I don't know how it looks on the mobile app. Still I think it's fine on mobile itself. Tarponpet (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Did you perchance view the mobile site from a regular browser? Because this is how it looks on an actual mobile browser:

Survivors of the Twelve Worlds	Et'Ada
According to the Anuad, when Anu formed Nirn following the shattering of the Twelve Worlds by Padomay, two surviving races originating from what Padomay had sundered were brought to ...	According to the Altmeri creation myth, when Magnus departed the Mundus, the et'Ada that took part in it's creation broke into groups, most would follow the flight of the God of Magic to ...

While I agree it's a nice visual especially on regular browsers, I still don't think it's necessary (just a nice-to-have), especially when it impacts the readability of the wiki on other platforms. There is a compromise, though; we could use an approach similar to the alternative versions of Lore:War of Betony#The Treaty of Gradkeep: the sections show up side-by-side on regular browsers but stack on top of each other on the mobile site, the mobile app or narrow windows, for that matter. Displays better in narrow viewports than a two-column table, at least. Would that be acceptable? Salamangkero (talk) 00:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I am looking at from the mobile browser in addition to normal browser and I just dont esepecially see the issue. Its a little squished but I dont think it impacts readability in a major way perosnally.Tarponpet (talk) 00:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Again, "it's fine" or "it's a nice visual" or "I don't see the issue" do not adequately explain why it needs to be displayed as a 2-column table or what's so wrong with displaying them as regular subsections. However, I do note that your responses have been qualified with "personally" so I suppose it's probably better for me to consult this matter in a less personal and more impartial venue. Thanks for the feedback. Salamangkero (talk) 01:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Dragons

Okay… I was in progress of porting all Dragon-related content with that. What should be done differently?

Well, you were using Lore from a mod for one, Tamriel Data is not official content. Most of the information provided is not given from any in-world source only the existence of those is known. I'm aware of a few things to do with the forging of Dragon equipment and that was none of it. Dragoneye helms are a canon thing but they are absolutely not the first produced. I'd rather you allow someone who has done more research to handle the matter.Tarponpet (talk) 22:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Dragoneye’s canon to Stormhold and Dawnstar, yeah, both of which occur in the Third Era. I’m certain you would show me earlier forged-and-made equipment… but only ESO is earlier than Dawnstar and Stormhold, being set in the First Era. Aside from that I thought the timeline is straightforward. ESO (1st) to DS + SH (3rd) to Blades (Later Third) to Skyrim (4th). 333dragonb0rned (talk) 23:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The existence is the source, is what I thought. All of the items are obtainable in the vanilla game or in the vanilla game with Creation Club content purchased.333dragonb0rned (talk) 23:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

My issue isnt that you claim that they exist, its that you claim their appearance in each game is a a progression in smithing when none exists in the written lore.. Also just because it doesn't appear in-game doesn't mean it doesn't exist earlier. Dawnstar and Stormhold are set in the Third area at the same time as Morrowind, in which Dragonscale armor appears. ESO is set in the Second Era. Dragonscale armor was first a thing in Akavir, and they brought to tradition to tamriel when they invaded in the first era. A famous dragonbone curaiss was enchanted in the early third era.Tarponpet (talk) 23:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Could you please stop editing Lore:Dragon right now, I'm in the middle of an overhaul and your edits keep undoing my edits. Regardless of the fact many of your edits are erroneous. Also Im GONNA add back that armor, just in a better way. It deserves to be in lorespace.Tarponpet (talk) 23:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I claim that it’s smithing because in Blades to Skyrim the main articles of interest are the gear and weapons. The concrete detail is their existence. You can smith them if you have the right progression and perks, it doesn’t need to be written lore, it’s literally the gameplay. Claiming that it’s smithing both works logically because of gameplay and fulfills this Wiki’s style guide that you struggle with, because you mainly write from an informal first person perspective and not in the style of a second person or third person recalling “historical events from the perspective of an anonymous citizen.” Many of your edits worsen the quality of the page through the inconsistent perspective and inconsistent overall theme. Most of it has little or no transition connecting related ideas.333dragonb0rned (talk) 03:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and a good idea for you for the future - You’re claiming my edits are “erroneous.” I have also claimed this and I have cited the Wiki’s style guide. You have not said HOW and WHY my edits are “erroneous,” and you have not stated HOW I can improve my edits provided they are erroneous. I have already asked an administrator about your edits because of the poor quality writing contributing to creating inconsistencies in the Wiki. Want me to have you let live and have your edits be permanent without undo’s? Do DEMONSTRATE your edits being better, don’t SAY they are better. 333dragonb0rned (talk) 03:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I am going to eventually revert and continue the first half of the formally written edits I had for Dragon lore with armor, after due process. You are welcome to challenge my claims’ reasonableness and the process I have initiated. 333dragonb0rned (talk) 03:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

(←) At this juncture it'd probably be best to take a momentary pause on editing the articles in question in the public-facing namespaces (using sandboxes instead, like Lore:Sandbox or one created in your own userspace) until a few other people can get a chance to look over everything and help sort this out. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 03:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Dragons - Timeline

[00:59, 26 June 2024 to 01:01, 26 June 2024] Quicklink. Okay wassup 333dragonb0rned (talk) 01:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC) PS mainly I:’m confused by that though I know you know what you know what I know I’d guess 333dragonb0rned (talk) 01:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

So I reverted that edit because the continued use of dragonbone equipment is covered by its mention of it being a rare material. And because it's not as notable as the continued use of Imperial Dragonscale, that's given more specific weight due to its use by a major faction. There's many instances of other armors cropping up throughout history. The uniqueness of Dragoneye helmets is a little odd to state aswell, we don't even know if they're made of literal dragoneye, they are listed with all we know about them.

The timelined edit is fine, but there was a reason I had it separated, the first section focused more on the Imperial history of use Dragon materials.

To be clear, I am also very greatful you understand now why I replaced your section in the first place now.Tarponpet (talk) 01:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Yep no biggie I was mainly confused because I wasn’t clear what the emphasis of the section was about and what main idea was being communicated by the change of wording and placement.

I uh… combined them because by general principle all the dragon armor comes from dragons. I was not aware the difference between imperial vs. Tamriel dragon armors was notable enough to create a distinction on the page and timeline, but I see that now. As to Dragoneye helm, I thought it was and seemed like a unique item (similar to an artifact) but closer to something like Stahlrim. I still prefer the timeline being a complete whole, and emphasis should be placed on imperial vs. Tamriel dragon items, and I think both can be achieved. Where do you want this to go with the timeline? 333dragonb0rned (talk) 01:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I think I'll change it back temporarily. As certain phrases are kinda disjointed from their intended context right now. And ideally, what'll actually happen is it'll end up talking about all kinds of different cultural uses of the materials, not just Imperial. To be clear it’s not that there's a super big distinction. It's just a formatting thing that's sometimes it's easier to mention closely related facts back to back as opposed to spreading them throughout the section. Sections like Uses you usually aren't put in timeline order, more the the different materials and or/cultures that use them. Again I apologize if I haven't explained well.Tarponpet (talk) 01:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I thought it was easy and nice to put it in timeline order and by no means necessary 333dragonb0rned (talk) 02:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

And that's totally understandable. In some cases you have to kinda look at each paragraph as their own little subsections.Tarponpet (talk) 02:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Apocrypha

Discussion moved to Lore talk:Apocrypha#Edit Warring.

Silt Strider Height

Where in your reference does it list the Silt Strider height? I followed the link and did not see it. I have measured it personally in-game and they are all around 19 Meters, not feet, in height --Brf (talk) 20:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Why did you bring it to my personal talkpage if you already asked on the page itself? I answered there now.Tarponpet (talk) 20:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Timing --Brf (talk) 20:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Poor spacing in creature summary templates

In relation to this edit, I've been removing the linebreaks from these infoboxes for two reasons: the added readability of correct punctuation usage, and the removal of whitespace from pages. Why do you keep adding them? —⁠Legoless (talk) 13:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I think it was someone else who first added one but I thought it was a good idea compared to how I used to do with a sizeable space. I like there being a serpation between locations in Tamriel vs locations in other realmsTarponpet (talk) 13:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I think if we want to separate Tamriel and Oblivion places in an infobox, it should be done using rows/columns, not via linebreaks. It's not clear from the layout that that is the intention. —⁠Legoless (talk) 14:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I see, well yes if there's another way for it be done I'd certainly wanna see the alternatives then. The line break was just the only way I knew how.Tarponpet (talk) 14:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Gold Star

You have been given a gold star! Thank you for all of your help in Lorespace! You've been a frequent and positive presence on the wiki. —Dillonn241 (talk) 03:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hagfish

Hey! Apologies for stepping on your toes with the Hagfish redirect, I was looking at recent changes and noticed the link was off so fixed it without realising it was something you were working on.

—Panguin38 ^{talk | contribs} 02:56, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

No problem whatsoever! I should give better edit summaries. I appreciate how considerate you are though! -Tarponpet (talk) 02:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Patroller

Congratulations, you're now a full patroller. Don't forget to update the userbox on your page. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 01:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Congrats!! Jeancey (talk) 01:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Congrats! —⁠Legoless (talk) 07:09, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

DLC Captions

If you've been removing information from lore galleries which specifies which expansion or DLC a piece of content comes from, please add them back. Captioning images or gamespace links with "Shivering Isles"/"^SI", "Skyrim Creation Club"/"^CC" etc. is standard across the namespace, and deleting this means less information for readers. It's particularly important with Creation Club images given the strange history of those content releases. —⁠Legoless (talk) 15:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Alright fine, it's just so unwieldly with creation club in particular, and we don't do the same for Oblvion add-ons or ESO expansionsTarponpet (talk) 16:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

For ESO I think it's less important, since DLCs and Chapters in that game are just paywalls really. It's not possible to play ESO currently without Gold Road items/locations/changes, even if you can't access the zone; in comparison, it's perfectly possible to load up base game vanilla Oldrim and never come across Imp Gall in-game as a result. For Oblivion DLCs, we have tags like ^VL and ^KotN, but it's true that we don't usually include those names in image captions. I think "Skyrim Creation Club" is an easy compromise. It informs readers who may not have played Anniversary Edition, without having to cite the full Creation name like "The Gray Cowl Returns!" or something similarly unwieldly. —⁠Legoless (talk) 17:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I mean, we probably SHOULD be tagging images for the Oblivion DLCs.... Especially stuff like KotN, which adds stuff all across Cyrodiil. Jeancey (talk) 17:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)